Date

 

Location

Zoom alias : https://ls.st/rsv

Zoom:  https://noirlab-edu.zoom.us/j/96120781994?pwd=bCtpT3Q3b2RsU1ZBRUFaSnUrZXo3Zz09#success

Attendees

Robert Lupton Erik Dennihy Peter Ferguson Yusra AlSayyad Colin Slater Jeffrey Carlin Keith Bechtol 

Regrets

Potential co-working session ideas here

Metric tracking dashboards

Change logs

Status of jenkins jobs and slack channel for notifications:  #dmj-s_verify_drp_metrics slack channel 

Discussion items

ItemWhoPre-meeting notesMinutes
News, announcements and task review

All


  • DM-34556 - Getting issue details... STATUS timing for loading lsst.verify.Measurement
    • Roughly 0.3 to 0.5 sec per lsst.verify.Measurement . This is untenable for SV needs.
    • Ask to bring up at DMLT
      • Leanne Guy to get topic of metric persistence in the butler on the DMLT agenda and make sure that tickets are linked  
  • SIT-Com epics were created. Missing some key features that would be helpful for Erik reporting on AuxTel work
    • Tasks are not available in the SIT-Com Project. Limiting ability to describe small chunks of work. This was an intentional choice so far.
    • Not many association options. Currently only "Blocks / Blocked By" links. This was also an intentional choice so far.
    • Work management planning document in progress: https://sitcomtn-023.lsst.io/v/tickets-sitcom-75-ST/index.html
    • Suggest to post in #rubinobs-sitcom as starting point
      • Erik Dennihy to post questions about SIT-Com JIRA project workflow in #rubinobs-sitcom

CI status, bugs, issues of the week

All
  • no failures/major issues over last week
  • nightly dashboards show no variation over last week 
  • we now have sky objects thanks to Lee
  • In the last 7 days, not a single failure, no change in metrics values
  • We now have sky object metrics. Code has been written very generally to calculate statistics from any input flux field.
Faro Development status 
  • Spring 2022 epic  DM-33385 - Performance Characterization in S22 IN PROGRESS
  • Backlog epic:  DM-29525 - Backlog epic for DM performance metrics TO DO
  • Peter and Erik were able to run photometric repeatability on AuxTel data
  • Make a SQuaSH dashboard for AuxTel? Currently we are using SQuaSH to track metrics with fixed data and changing pipelines. Currently the data processing and workflow is not set up to easily push metrics to SQuaSH in a more automated way.
    • Question of how to chunk up data for evaluating photometric repeatability, for example. More thought needed to delineate subsets of data, e.g., a time window of data.
  • AA1, absolute separations against a reference catalog ( DM-29368 - Getting issue details... STATUS )
    • Investigations of how to compute in different coordinate systems (e.g., Alt-Az, instrument coordinates). Suggest for this ticket to do the calculation with RA, Dec only and make a backlog ticket
Meeting scope

Now that the SIT-Com reorganization is in place, we want to think about the scope of this meeting. Potential science verification topics to be diagonalized across various meetings include (while trying to reduce the total number of meetings to the extend possible):

  • More formal systems engineering aspects of developing requirement specifications (including documenting the algorithms to compute metrics and pass/fail criteria), developing test cases, organizing test campaigns, and documenting outcomes.
    • There is partial overlap of DMSR requirements and system-level requirements from OSS and LSR. Formally, the requirements are usually
  • Science verification and validation analysis tooling
    • "Nuts and bolts" of analysis_drp and faro infrastructure
    • Visualization tools
    • Adding metrics
  • Pushing on-sky data through Science Pipelines (e.g., AuxTel)
  • Analysis of on-sky data (e.g., AuxTel)
  • Tactical planning of activity on day to week timescale
  • Strategic planning on month(s) timescale
  • More detailed discussion of specific science verification and validation topics
    • PSF modeling
    • Weak lensing shear
    • Galaxy photometry
    • Astrometry
    • Low surface brightness features
    • ...
  • How to modify/configure Science Pipelines in response to lessons learned from commissioning science verification?

Context questions:

  • What meetings do we expect (representatives from) in-kind contributing groups to attend?
  • Is all the formal systems engineering for all SVV scope?
  • Plan to embed in-kind groups in existing Project structures
  • Potential ways to diagonalize the meetings
    • Organizing by deliverable
    • Organizing by expertise
  • Current sketch of a plan is based more on an operational stance.
    • Tactical vs. strategic
    • "Technical" (both within DM and cross system) vs. "science"
  • DM works on components and delivers. Are these fit to begin doing full system integration. Formally, need to verify DMSR. SVV would evaluate with on-sky data in an integrated system.
    • DMSR includes topics such as network and Gen-3 butler verification that are more DM specific
  • Suggest to organize by timescale of deliverables (e.g. weekly/monthly updates or story/epic reviews) in accordance with Tactical/technical/strategic vision as opposed to Topics (e.g. AuxTel data processing). This allows for the floor to be open to a wide range of topics and invites experts across subsystems to attend and respond/present their topic of need. The benefit is that we don't have to define the discussion beforehand, and we let the scale of the problem/issue/update being presented dictate the amount of meeting time/follow-up to dedicate. One downside is we probably won't have enough time to cover all topics (if we are considering e.g. only 1hr a week). 
AOB


Next meeting  


List of tasks (Confluence)

DescriptionDue dateAssigneeTask appears on
  • Leanne Guy to talk to Science Pipelines (Yusra) about when do this transfer  
19 Oct 2021Leanne Guy2021-09-28 Science Metric Development Agenda and Meeting notes
  • Leanne Guy arrange to disucss at a future meeting if there are metrics from PDR3 & this paper that we might want to include in faro.   
26 Oct 2021Leanne Guy2021-08-31 Science Metric Development Agenda and Meeting notes
  • Colin to ask about capturing ideas for improvement to the stellar locus algorithm   
30 Nov 2021 2021-11-09 Science Metric Development Agenda and Meeting notes
  • Colin Slater to make a preliminary draft agenda for a workshop to clarify visualization use cases for science verification and validation
Colin Slater2022-04-19 Science Metric Development Agenda and Meeting notes
  • Jeffrey Carlin to review metric specification package organization and the relationship to formal requirements documents
Jeffrey Carlin2022-04-19 Science Metric Development Agenda and Meeting notes
  • Keith Bechtol Schedule a time to have focused discussion on verification package, potentially next status meeting
Keith Bechtol2021-09-14 Science Metric Development Agenda and Meeting notes
  • Keith Bechtol to make a ticket to better understand mapping of these camera and calibration products characterization efforts to verification documents and the focus of these efforts. Discuss with the SCLT
Keith Bechtol2021-09-14 Science Metric Development Agenda and Meeting notes